Like Mother, Like Daughter

The apple doesn’t fall far from the scamming tree.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

I want up my money.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

This is Unnigerian Prince, the podcast where we talk about scams from everywhere else. Good morning, Ugo.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Morning, Noms.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Girl, how you been?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Honestly, I have been sick. I've had a nasty cough.

unknown 0:34

No.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

But we thank God for life because girl, I thought I was gonna die. But also, the world is burning around us, so there's that.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Yes, there is that, girl. Yay, though I walked through the valley of the shadow of death. I show fear no evil. But how are you? What's been going on? Oh girl, I've been lovely myself, I'm not even gonna lie. I went on holiday not too long ago with my mommy. It was very sweet.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yeah, girl. Speaking of the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I remember checking your location on the maps, and you were not where you were supposed to be. I said they have my girl trapped on the continent of Europe.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Right, so I was traveling through the Middle East during the very thick of the US-Israel attack on Iran. I was supposed to land in Qatar and then we were like rerouted. I was going to Seychelles. Girl, there is no place on the planet I did not go. I went to Rome, I went to Mauritius, I was everywhere but where I was supposed to be. But eventually, I did arrive and I enjoyed an amazing few days with my mom. Amen. Out in the Seychelles. It was cute.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Yes, Auntie was out there living it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

That girl was living her best life. And it was her birthday weekend, so we did like so many mother-daughter like activities and little adventures. And you know, hmm, it got me thinking.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Tell me.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

You know, what what what else is going on out there? You know, like which other mother-daughter adventures of the illegal kind have been going on out there. I need to know.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Okay, now you know I've gotta say it. Where are we today?

SPEAKER_00 2:29

My four favorite words. My four favorite words. Okay, your clue is koala.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Another place where the British were involved. Girl, are we in the land down under? We are down under. Ugo is never gonna get her foot of the British. Never, never, because they were never at home. They were never home. And I understand being outside. No, seriously. Seriously, but this is too much. They went through storms.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

I think the last three or four episodes. The British have gotten there before we did. Each other. But yes, you are right. We are down under, we are in Australia. I'm sorry, that was a terrible accident. Sorry guys. Let's jump right in. Imagine this: a middle-aged Vietnamese man goes to see a fortune teller. He is overworked and tired, but he's always had this feeling, this knowing that life was going to turn around for him. He's warmly welcomed into the fortune teller's home, and he already feels comfortable. See, she's also an Asian woman in her 50s, so it kind of reminds him of his wife a little. She tells him her name, it's Anya Fawn, and she begins to speak. I see billions in your future. You will meet a very wealthy man and you will become his business partner. He will choose you because you are hardworking and smart, and your life will change. You will become a billionaire. However, in order to fulfill this prophecy, you must take the following steps. You will first need to take out a loan.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

So the prophecy's fulfillment requires financial input. This already sounds like a scam.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Ding ding ding! Unfortunately, it is, but this story is bigger than a scam. It's about a fraud network in Sydney involving fake loans, stolen identities, money laundering, casinos, and a mother-daughter operation at the center of it all. Mother and a daughter? That's right. This is a story of how 53-year-old Anya Fan and her 25-year-old daughter Tita scammed members of Sydney's Vietnamese community out of around 70 million Australian dollars. This is about 48 million USD. And this crime shocked Australia. People will go to her for life advice, business decisions, relationships, basically major life choices.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Okay, so she wasn't just reading tarot cards, she was actually influencing major financial and life decisions.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

That's right. This is not the girl you go to just like on a night out. Oh, tell me about my palm, whatever. She really had influence in people's lives. And police allege that she used that influence to convince people to take out loans in their own names.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

And she told them that this was part of their future wealth.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Exactly. So she would tell clients that she could see that they were going to become very wealthy, and not like, oh, you can afford your kids' tuition. I'm talking about like Big B billionaire, right? But they needed to make certain financial moves first.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Which were the loans. Mm-hmm. Honestly, this is a little triggering for me because I have student loans and nothing about it makes me happy. So I'm already a little annoyed. And so you said that she could see that they were, you know, gonna become very wealthy. I hope she can see that she's gonna go to jail.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Listen, girl, I hate to trigger you, but you might have to call the lady right after this because we're about to dive in. So basically, they would take out the loans, right? And she would keep a share for herself. But these are major amounts of money. Like people were taking out loans as high as in the six figures.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Hey, can you help me understand how they were able to get six-figure loans? I mean, they must have had exquisite credit.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

That is a great question. That's a really good question. So the way I saw it in my research was the borrowers were ordinary sort of suburban, urban working people. So not ultra poor, obviously not ultra-rich, just regular working people who could apply and receive legitimate bank loans under a stated purpose. So they had enough maybe income or enough existing property to show that they could back like a purchase loan or a specialized loan. So a regular working person. But then Anya would have them divert the funds to her, basically. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Okay, I understand. So where does the daughter come into all of this then?

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Fabulous question. So now the daughter, Tita, she's important because this wasn't just the one woman scam manipulating people and then sort of figuring out what to do with the money. The police said the daughter helped run parts of the operation, especially the financial side.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Okay, so while the mother is building trust and convincing people to take out loans. Okay, okay, so this honestly feels more like an organized operation.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Mm-hmm. That's right. Very structured. One person, Anya, doing all the recruiting and the influencing, she's sort of the front-facing part of the system. And then the back office, Tita, is helping people move and store the money. And she is believed to have moved funds into high-end assets. Honestly, this girl was doing the wrong thing. Like she should have applied for a job in private wealth. I think she would have done quite well because this is just like mismanaged energy, basically. So she took the money into assets like they had this $5.3 million apartment in Rose Bay, which is a really beautiful part of Sydney, and then they had a $13 million home in Dover Heights.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

$13 million home. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

So big bills.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

You know what always gets me about scammers is that they get a lot of money and then they never just spend it well. They never budget accordingly. It's always flashy, flashy expensive. Because what do you mean a $13 million home?

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Like, rid of me that girl. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Okay, okay, so the money moves from loans into property, then assets, and then I guess maybe gambling.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

That's right. So I had said casinos earlier, right? So investigators allege that the money was also laundered through casinos, which is pretty common. I think it's called layering, if I if I remember correctly. So you convert the cash into chips, you gamble, you cash out, and then you claim the money as gambling winnings so that way it now has like a source, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Okay. Okay, so then this becomes not just fraud, but also money laundering and asset conversion.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

It was genuinely pretty sophisticated. The scale was very, very broad, but the sophistication too is quite, for lack of a better word, impressive. So it was handled by Australia's Strike Middleton, which is basically this police force that investigates large-scale sort of crime syndicates like this one had evolved to be.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Okay, I see. So while the victims were taking out loans and going into debt, what were the mother and daughter doing exactly?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Sorry, this is like one of my favorite parts of this podcast where we talk about what you're doing with the money you scam people. No, exactly. Like, how are you using my money? What are you using this money for? Obviously, the classic, like you already said, high-end lifestyle. Nobody is scamming and then, like, I don't know, chilling on the weekends, right? These girls are buying luxury property, they have large mortgage payments. Like, I'm talking about like $56,000 monthly in mortgages based off of the amount of their property. They are gambling in casinos, they're living large. And then for context, because I don't think I've already said this, it's technically on disability, right? So she's receiving disability payments, and this same person lives in a $13 million home. Make it make sense, but they're living good.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Like, I'm already shocked at $56,000 in monthly payments. That is insane.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

But also Imagine the cash flow they had to be able to do that. That's how frequently they're able to skim off the top of these people.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And she didn't actually have a disability, right? This is another scam.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Actually, do not know that. Um, none of the records say whether or not she had a disability, but disability scams are pretty easy on the scam ladder to pull off. Yeah. Right. So if they said she was scamming, I would also believe that.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Right. Okay. I would not put it past her.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Okay, so they were living these luxurious lifestyles, which it seems very different from the people who were actually taking out these loans.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Yes, and I feel like that contrast is always one of the darker parts of these types of stories. Because, like I said before, these are not ultra wealthy people. Because if they were, they're not coming to you asking you to tell them about, you know, their future. A little bit like we discussed with Cassie Chadterick's case a couple of episodes ago, right? Where she was pretending to be a fortune teller. Or she was, I mean, I don't know the lady's powers, but she was saying she was a fortune teller. And you see the sort of desperation in the people that are coming, which, you know, wealth is not the only thing that gives people stability, but more often than not, a little bit like lottery tickets, right? If you already have money, you don't kind of need that hope for stability in the future. But on the other end, to be clear, they're not extremely poor people, right? They're people that, you know, people in the banks can actually give loans to, they're underwritable. So it's just sort of your average person. This person doesn't live in a $14 million house. This person isn't buying Birkins and Chanel and all of that jazz. But I think the key thing is that they trusted her and they believed that she was helping them secure a better future.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Okay, so they thought they were investing in their future, but they were actually funding someone else's lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Exactly. They were paying for Adya and T to enjoy a better life, girl.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Loki, I'm kind of wondering if I would have fallen for this. I think the answer is no. But at the same time, she was a feng shui master, and I'm kind of into feng shui. You know, I don't have the mirror facing my bed. You know, there's open space when you walk into my apartment, so it's very open, airy, inviting. Yeah, I don't know. She could have gotten me low-key.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

I definitely do believe in feng shui. Like, because I've walked into apartments where I'm like, the energy is not moving, I can feel it, right? I don't believe in fortune telling though. Because girl, if you knew, if you knew, then clearly it wasn't that much of a secret. No, exactly, exactly. So I've not been able to ever like believe in fortune telling, obviously, aside from like the fact that you know we're both Christian, but just generally conceptually, just telling the future, I'm really not. I'll find out when I get there. But Feng Shui is very feng shui is very fair.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

So, Noms, let me ask you this. When did this happen? Was this recent? Was this years ago?

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Actually, all of this happened last year, November 2025, is sort of when the news came publicly and when the police announced it, when all the news came out. So it is very, very, very recent.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Okay, and ask that question because the economy is very tight right now. And they're over here taking people's money. It's just I'm holding on to my dollars extra tightly these days.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

I just think the only time you should scam is during periods of economic boom. Like, you know, like don't scam at all, but don't scam when unemployment is this high. You know, that's just rude. I get you. I completely, completely get you. It's just not okay. Like, do you want to be part of a village or not?

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Wait. That's you're talking about being an ethical scammer.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Do not scam, guys. You will go to jail, and Ugo and I will talk about you on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

We will. Absolutely. Okay, now so tell me, how does this all fall apart in the end?

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Mm-hmm. So, police had been investigating a broader fraud network involving the car loans. And this is basically what they call like ghost cars, where loans are taken out for cars that don't like really exist or they're not actually registered to like any real person. And that's a broader crime syndicate that exists in Sydney. But during that investigation, uncovered this larger network of fraudulent loans and money laundering, and that chain sort of led them to Anya NT. So early morning, November 2025, police comes in, raids their home in Dover Heights, and arrested both of them.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

At the same time.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

At the same time, during the race, the police seized financial documents, mobile phones, luxury handbags, 40 gram gold bar, which oh my god must be worth so much right now. And about 6,600 in casino chips, 6,600 Australian dollars in casino chips.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

That 40 gram gold bar hit me in the chest because I remember my mom telling me, maybe, oh my goodness, maybe like two years ago, Costco was selling gold bars. I kid you not, and I don't know, they will maybe be going for $1,600 to $2,000. My mom was like, you know, should I buy this? And I was like, honestly, probably. Girl, that is no longer the price, as you can imagine. As you can imagine, but this all sounds like the end of a movie, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Yes, it does, doesn't it? Like it's giving oceans what number are we on now? Probably this, I mean, by the time they get here, ocean's 45 or something is crazy. But the government also froze about 15 million Australian dollars in assets connected to them. And Anya faces 39 charges.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

39 of them things.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

39 charges. The government was just like, oh, who cares? I don't know the one. And they include like directing a criminal group. They said you are the CEO, you are in charge, and dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception. So there's a bunch of them, but those are like the two key ones. And her daughter faces seven charges. Those include participating in the criminal group. I love how the charges are like kind of different. They said Anya was directing it, and T was just a participant, and then dealing with the proceeds of crime, and then a whole bunch of other ones as well.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

This is so, so wild. And I think that the most disturbing part to me isn't the fake loans or the money laundering, to be honest. It is, it's the trust, right? People trusted her with their lives and their futures.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

I think that's very fair, and I feel like we always kind of land here, don't we? Like the cases tend to be always about some kind of trust or influence than finance itself, because this type of fraud only works if people trust you enough to take out loans they would essentially be giving you, but in their own name. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

It is so the real weapon wasn't fake documents or fake cars.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

100% influence.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Okay, and I would add in belief as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah, that's true. Like that influence, that trust, that belief that everything this soothsayer says is true.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

This influence, trust, it makes me think that we should do a future episode on influencers. I feel like there's a lot to unpack there with your influence and parasocial relationships, very crazy things happening.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

100%. I feel I just felt a tingle go down my spine, go. I have six for you. Let's talk about this offline because you're right. Like there's the parasocial relationships, believing somebody sort of hook, line, and sinker. It's it's unreal. There's so much evidence of it. There's so many examples. I would love to do an episode about that.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Okay, for sure. We should definitely think about that. So what's the lesson from this story? What should our listeners walk away with knowing?

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Mm-hmm. Same thing. Like any other crime, I think we always think it's the boogeyman that's gonna come. Some kind of like hacker in a, you know, in a hoodie, somewhere trying to hack into your account, or some kind of like criminal in a suit, or some you know, random guy in an alley. But it often is as simple as somebody you know and trust.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

And in this case, it allegedly became a family operation, a mother building trust, and a daughter helping run the financial side.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Exactly. And it's crazy because this sort of well, not mom and pop, but like mom and daughter situation, you have this big trust of them, and then you find out that the police are saying they're connected to a fraud network was around 70 million Australian dollars.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Truly unbelievable, truly because I'm sure they were unsuspecting it, just a mother and daughter.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Your guard is down, right? And you know, if you've spoken to her a lot, you've met her a lot, she's in your community, you're completely unsuspecting. And you know, while while we were in the seash, I was sort of floating on the beach. I was telling my mom the story, and I was like, girl, you know, you and I we would not get caught.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

And I'm sure Auntie was like, Please shut up.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

She was like, Please shut your silly mouth. Not only would we get caught, my mom was. Be the person to report us to the police. She does not play that. She would hold my hand, and we are walking straight into the precinct. On a more serious note, as a parent, there's nothing more important than keeping your child safe. And that includes keeping them away from crime and keeping them safe from the very long, very harsh, very unforgiving hand of the law.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Scam scam. Scam scam. Okay, Nom. So the scam scam story I have today for you actually happened to me. And it happened to me about two years ago. And basically what happens is I get a call one day. I'm just sitting on my couch watching something on TV, probably Law and Order SBU. I get a call and I don't pick it up because it's an unknown number. I don't pick up phone calls from people that I don't know. And then shortly after I get the phone call, I then get a text message, and I'm like, huh, from the same number. This is peculiar. And so I open up the text message and begin reading it. And it's a note from them saying, Hi, I saw this note that you left on my car saying that I should reach out to you because you hit my car. Now I'm a little bit confused, right? Because I do not drive here, right? I do not own a car. So I'm just like, couldn't have been me. There's no way.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

How could you be a car?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Exactly. And so I respond, I do respond, and I say, sorry this happened to you, but I don't drive, so it couldn't be me. And then they actually respond and they say, but the note has your number saying I should reach out. How should we resolve this?

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Uh get up, get off my line. That's how we're gonna resolve this.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Do you get? And so now I'm actually a little bit irritated because I just told you I don't have a car. And I don't drive. Exactly. Like I would know if I did this. And so I respond by saying, resolve what?

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Because, like, what are you actually talking about? I'm surprised you're still texting. That's blowing my mind.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

In hindsight, you and me both. You and me both. But then they respond, and then they're like, resolve the fact that you hit my car. And so now I just block the number because I don't see a path forward.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

That's gorgeous. Let's pause right there before you continue. Guys, now please take this as a series of steps you should also follow because blocking is the right next move. Because, you know, our number one move is hang up. Hang up the phone. In the event they text you, don't maybe respond if you're curious. Sometimes I'm curious. And then after they tell you some nonsense, you should block them. And that goes not just for scammers, just generally. Yeah. When you read nonsense in your phone for too long, you should block the sender. Yes, I'm also talking about your ex.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

And I am I am a passionate defender of the block button. I feel like my block list is a thousand people long, both on my phone, on social media. Like, oh, you're disturbing my peace. You you're out.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Once a year I scroll through to make sure that the right people are still in there.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

I just want to check. And if they're not, I have to go and drop them in.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Exactly. Like, oh, you created another account? Let me go ahead and add Gotta Keller.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

You thought I forgot.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

But once I block the number, I actually begin Googling, right? And what I end up finding is that this is essentially a scam where people will say that you hit their car and demand that the situation be solved by you by either venomoing them, cash shabbing them, sending them gift cards. And usually this escalates to them threatening you if you don't comply.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Hang on, Uga. Because I'm a little bit confused. This scam, I don't see how it could be that effective functionally, right? Because it's saying that I did something that one I may not have the means to do in a literal sense. For example, if they said that to me, I don't have a license, baby, unless I was driving in my dream, I did not hit your car. Legally, I cannot do that. And one thing about me is I am not going to jail. So I did not do that to your car. But two, even if I do have a car and I am driving, you're telling me that I hit your car and I would have a recollection of somebody I hit. Three, if I was driving and I hit your car, you're telling me I left a note. Like you're telling me I pulled out a piece of paper, wrote my name and my phone number, put it down on top of your car and said, call me. I would at least remember that I did one of those three things, right? So it just seems a bit far-fetched that somebody would sufficiently fall for this, no?

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Yeah, no, those are all really, really great points. And I think I'll start by just saying that it seems like these scammers, what they end up doing is, for example, if there's a data breach on a website, they sort of like go through the breach and collect phone numbers and contact information and they sort of reach out to people in mass and essentially just see what sticks, right? Because realistically, it didn't make sense to your point of them reaching out to me. This number said that the incident, right, happened in California. I am over 2,000 miles away from California. So it literally could not have been me unless I'm now teleporting or I'm flying like Batman or Superman. And the only goal I had was to jam your car. Specifically. Which makes the question what did you do? What did you do? Because I probably had a reason if I did it. No, exactly. And I think to your other points, honestly, I won't lie. Like when I first received the message, my initial reaction was confusion, but it was also a little bit of anxiety because I was kind of like, Am I actually implicated in this? Like, did this involve me in some kind of way? And so I was a little bit worried that in some scenarios, somehow, someone out there did actually write my number, right? Maybe they had some insurance information that because I used to live in California, right? And so maybe they found my insurance information, sent it to this person, and maybe now I'm on the hook for something. And so that's actually one of the reasons that I ended up replying, because I'm just like, could someone have taken my identity?

SPEAKER_00 29:03

That's super valid. I didn't even think about that, but that's super valid. Because then you're telling me I did something, I know I didn't do it. My next line of thinking is did somebody do this and do it in my name? Which is then that's quite petrifying. Because do I have an identity theft leak? Does somebody, you know, random know my name? I hadn't thought about that. I think that's super valid to give you like a sense of panic. Because like I've heard about it where people do other things, even beyond like forget identity theft because that's a bit far out, but like donating to a cause that the person has like disavowed, but doing it in their name, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Like, right.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

I'm just thinking if somebody like used my name to like donate to like the cause of like let's have more helicopters, like I would be helicopters. Absolutely mortified. But I hear you. I think that's very fair. That's a very fair point that I hadn't previously considered. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

And for our listeners, if you guys go back to episode one, you'll recall Nama's passionate hatred for helicopters, and I don't blame them. Just a metal can with flying blades on top. It's actually very stupid.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

It's really extremely scary. Like functionally, I get the point, right? You need something that's not all the way up there and that's not all the way down here, and that you can kind of control.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

I am completely with you.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

I'm just scared of helicopters. That's really mostly what it is. And you know, like most fears, it does come out as hatred.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

But it's a valid concern, to be honest. But also one that's avoidable as long as you don't, you know, get into a helicopter.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

I will not be there.

unknown 30:42

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

But, Noms, what I will also add about this scam is that what actually threw me off was the fact that I received an iMessage. So the message didn't come across as green, which I now associate with scams. Sorry to our Android listeners. I'm so sorry. But they often come across as green because it's a spoofed number, it's an international number, or whatever the case might be. And I know everyone has gotten those scams where it's just like a random hello or hello, this is your long lost uncle, and you're part of like bigger pig butchering scams. But I got an eye message, and that really threw me for a loop for about, you know, a couple minutes.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

No, I think that makes sense. I think, yeah, the green you come to expect because to your point of the spoofing or international SMS, which it tends to be, or I think even a lot of the domestic general SMS messages are also generally green, right? If you get something from like a you know UPS or something, it's generally green if you respond to it. So the iMessage does feel more personal, like this is an individual that I gave my number to, or you know, got my number. So I think that makes sense. So, practically speaking, what do you think if listeners get a message like this or a call like this, how can they safeguard themselves from it?

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah, I think this aligns with what we've said in previous episodes, which is just to essentially take a beat, right? My initial reaction was a bit of anxiety, right? And I'm just kind of like, what's going on here? And I think that if I didn't take the time together to say, like, this actually isn't really practical, like this couldn't have been me. I might have actually potentially been a victim of it because I'm just like, I just wanna mitigate the situation right now. If they're asking for $50, it's just get this out of the way. Yeah, but sometimes it's just important to take a breath, calm your nerves, and just let things play out. And of course, to block. Block and then figure things everything else after.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

No, I think that makes a lot of sense. Like, if especially if it was maybe an older person or somebody who's not maybe more savvy, you would just feel like, let me just have this go away. How can I pay you to get this to go away, even if it's a couple hundred bucks or 50 bucks or whatever? But to your point, staying on top of it, like I did not hit your car. Block her. No, exactly. Block. Um also think about it. If it is personal, if it is that deep, then take me to small claims court.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Exactly. I will meet you there. I will meet you right there, Judge, Judge Judy. It wasn't me, ma'am. It wasn't me. I'm so scared of her too. But anyway. But one thing I do want to note is apparently these scams can actually get quite violent in the sense that they do issue like very harsh threats, like, oh, I'm gonna smash out your windows, I'm gonna find you if you don't pay this up. And so I feel like it can ramp up some people if they are being threatened, right? Which again feeds into like just take a breath. If someone is threatening you because you're not paying up for hitting their crime, guess what I'm doing? I'm going to the police. I'm not doing 101. I'm going to the cops. Someone is going to jail and it's not me. Don't threaten me.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

No, I absolutely love that. Like, just remembering, I think making terroristic threats is a charge. And I don't know what the threshold is, but I think it's probably pretty low. So you can escalate it to whatever sort of system you've got. But I think the key thing is not being bullied out of sending any of your hard-earned funds, especially in a scenario that you do not recall doing, because fundamentally the person cannot hold you responsible for something that you did not do. So yeah, I think that's those are good reminders. If you have a local scam from anywhere in the world that happened to you, your parents, your in-laws, even that girl at work you don't really like, whether the scam was just an attempt or if it was even successful, we would love to hear about it and maybe even read it out loud in this segment. So please send it to us at info at unnigerianprince.com. Thank you all for sticking with us. We will see you next time in another country.